Posted: 05 August 2007 at 12:31pm | IP Logged

-In other games, if there is not a valid target for a card to be played to, the card would then resolve as a "fizzle" (i'm sure someone trademarked that word) of sorts and then discard. Absent any official wording on the point, i support Eaglepreacher's determination of that scenario.

The Time Skip would remove the target from play as a reaction to the FTS and, assuming the time skip play was legal and not reacted to itself, the FTS (or any other card) would resolve without a target. In the case of the FTS, it would head to the discard pile with a very loud and ineffective *thump*.....Lobo

Posted: 05 August 2007 at 4:04pm | IP Logged

Bignea; Your assessment of timeskipping your stack I believe is flawed. according to the rule book it states

Playing Reaction Cards:  Cards designated with an 'R' may be played in reaction to other players' actions.... the rest of the rule states card play limits.

So by time skipping your stack, you are reacting to the other players FTS by removing the target. 

Oh here an interesting question on Time skips...  What if I time skip the time skip. Is the first one ignored since the last reaction card played takes effect first and the first time skip is treated as not there according to card text?????? hmmmm

Posted: 05 August 2007 at 4:33pm | IP Logged

time skip states on the card played to an opponent stack or card not to your stack or card.

if you time skip the timeskip it would be like no cards were played in reaction against the card like the spindle

Posted: 05 August 2007 at 4:41pm | IP Logged

so if any card says discard after use, and someone time skips it, it can still take effect after the time skip goes away?

Posted: 05 August 2007 at 11:03pm | IP Logged

Mog, where in black and white does the FTS get discarded. It is not there to get discarded until the time skip is removed.  Once the skip is removed the FTS should still take effect.

Bignea. It could be argued the 'played on opponent' is in the historical section of the card.  Since there is no dash in front of that statement, by the book it is not a rule. 

Posted: 06 August 2007 at 2:19pm | IP Logged

-I posted a long discourse on timing and reaction cards, etc. Then i read the part about Voided Card Plays in the rules quote above and edited. I still don't think that makes it clear, however. My question to help with that is: Does the Time Skip Void a card play?

My answer would be of course not, it doesn't void anything, it delays it. Therein lies the rub. Does delay=void? For the discard crowd, it does. For the non-discard crowd, the Time Skip forms an exception to this rule and delays the card for a turn completely. It would be as if the card were never even played. I can see both sides of this argument (to a point) and it would help if any ex-employees of the non-existent parent company would render an official opinion as the rules are not entirely clear on this point. I know they aren't. I read them. Twice, even.

.....Lobo, continuing the fine tradition of adding nothing to conversations for 30 years.

Posted: 06 August 2007 at 2:58pm | IP Logged

-I didn't misinterpret. I took what you said a couple of posts above and rendered an opinion. Your cite of the rules doesn't state anything about a voided card action. For illustration:

"Now, read the part where it says what I mentioned before: "Cards that
state they are discarded after use and which are voided by a reaction card
are discarded even though they did not get used."

Put two and two together... a time skip is a reaction card, when it is used
on the spindle the action of the time skip voids the action of the spindle.
As per the rules above, since the spindle specifically says "discarded after
use", it is then discarded without having any effect."

-That first bolded part was what it appears you are referring to when you state the "time skip voids the action of the spindle. As per the rules above...it is then discarded." But that rule doesn't say the voiding of the action is what matters. The rule you quoted specifically and singley discusses voided card plays, not voided card actions.

There is a difference. Thus, there is confusion even in your explanation. If the Time Skip voids the action only and not the card itself, the rules are not "black and white" on the issue and the rules you cite in support of your argument don't apply. If the Time Skip voids the card play, then the card that is skipped should be discarded according to and supported by your rules cite.

All i am saying is that it is not as black and white as you are claiming. The Galactic Fire article, while not on point entirely, supports the FTS being able to resolve one turn later. But i still think there is room to argue for both sides. Me, i think the FTS is delayed and hits next turn. But that's just one man's opinion.

I'm not trying to argue or say you are wrong here. What i am saying is that the wording on the rules is not clear on this situation. In my opinion, then, without an "official" ruling it's still a question up to interpretation of rules that do not specifically address this issue. So, you play one way and other groups may play another.

Good luck with it, talk later.....Lobo

Posted: 06 August 2007 at 10:09pm | IP Logged

The little GE rulebook I have says - on page 4 - that, "Reaction card actions occur just before the action they are reacting to."

The way I interpret this particular set of events is:

1) Lobo plays a Frayed Time Spindle (FST)

2) I react by playing a Time Skip (TS) to the FST

3) Assuming no other card plays in this card sequence, the TS resolves - before the FST can act - and takes it out of play.

4) One player turn later the TS' duration elapses and it goes away.

5) The FST is now back on the stack and resolves its effects. The time it was under the TS counts in no way shape or form. It is as if it were just played and - if it has a valid target - it will resolve.

I'm not saying I'm right and you're wrong neither am I saying the reverse. This is simply my reading of the rules.

This actually came up in a game tonight vs Lobo - except there were two time skips. He time skipped my Bolaar S8 and I time skipped his time skip. This kept my ship in play for the current player turn allowing me to fire it. Then when my Time Skip's duration lapsed his came into effect and made my ship 'not exist' for one player turn.

J--