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Gekonauak
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time skips can be used on anything, at any time, from skipping a molting off the back of a dragon, to
skipping the entire stack a dragon is a part of. This in spite of the fact that dragons are supposed to be immune to occurences played to them. I argued that time skips shouldn't be able to affect cards played to a
dragon, but you insisted they could and many other people here who weighed in on the matter agreed with you.
Well, everything you said here is accurate. Time Skips can be used in each of these ways. If a Dragon is on a terrain, and I Time Skip the terrain, the Dragon would go away with the terrain, since I am not playing the Occurance on the Dragon directly.
That being said, time skips can be played on any card that is in an opponent's fleet.
They cannot be played directly to cards that are immune to Occurances.
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Gekonauak
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since the spindle specifically says "discarded after
use", it is then discarded without having any effect.
Why?
the action of the time skip voids the action of the spindle.
Why?
The Time Skip does not cause the spindle or any other card to be discarded. It is not a Temporal Correction.
Again, the crux of the issue is that the rules specifically say that any card that says 'discarded after use' that has its action voided is discarded even
if that cards effect didn't occur.
The spindles action, however, is not being voided.
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Gekonauak
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Oh here an interesting question on Time skips... What if I time skip the time skip. Is the first one ignored since the last reaction card played takes effect first and the first time skip is treated as not there according to card text?????? hmmmm
if you TS'd my spindle, and then i TS'd your TS, my spindle would take place. Then my TS would relinquish you TS, and your TS would fizzle.
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Gekonauak
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If played on the FTspindle, then there is no rules which discard the spindle but when the time skip expires, the FTspindle takes effect. But what if I play the time skip on the 20 point stack. Should not the ruling be that the FTspindle is now played to nothing and is therefore discarded since it was illegally played.
assuming it's your stack the spindle is played on, you would'nt be able to play the time skip to stop it because the skip is played to opponent fleets or card as a reaction. so we are back to playing it on the spindle which is worthless at the end.
Let's pretend for a moment that you *CAN* in fact do this. The spindle, being part of the stack at that point, would be TS'd as well.
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Gekonauak
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Some cards are instant and after applying their
effects are immediately discarded (discarded after use).
- Voided Card Plays: Cards that state they are discarded after use and which are voided by a reaction card are discarded even though they did not get used.
Time Skip does not VOID anything.According to the rules that you quote here: "After applying their effects are immediately discarded".
Is 'skipped' the same as voided?
Nope.
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Gekonauak
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and it would help if any ex-employees of the non-existent parent company would render an official opinion as the rules are not entirely clear on this point.
Shheeessh, I take one day off and the world goes to pot.
:)
Hopefully, I have made it clear how the card would have been played back in the day.
As always, let your group decide, and then play it that way all the time.
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Lobo
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-Thanks for the clarifications and contributions Gekonauak. I'll likely just end up arm-wrestling Galaktische every time we have a disagreement...
...which means Galaktische will be making the rules decisions in our group every time.....Lobo
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Tarquon
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Can a c5/5 arrange a skipped stack?
I'm looking for opinions (and this seems to be the best place)
on how this would work or why it wouldn't.
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Gekonauak
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Can a c5/5 arrange a skipped stack?
Wow, now that is a good question.
The answer is yes. But he has to take more than one turn to do it, resulting in the TS to disappate anyway.
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Tarquon
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Thanks, Geko.
So a c5/5 would move the TS (say, to an opponent ship) and restore the stack to play on turn 1 then rearrange the stack on turn 2?
Just to clarify, since so many people will be using c5/5 now :(
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Lobo
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"Just to clarify, since so many people will be using c5/5 now :("
-Yeah, all twelve of us that play regularly and frequent these boards now know the secret, so watch out!
Don't worry Tarq, with all the talk i still don't actually *own* a C5/5 Time Knight. So you can play me if you're in OK sometime.....Lobo
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Galaktische
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I play Lobo and I have C5/5 Time Knights but I'm not playing them because they are a bit powerful and complicate the rules.
When Lobo has kicked my butt a few times I'm sure I'll re-think that philosophy.
J--
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werewolflht65
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T-4 Reactionary World. I despise this card with a passion.
For our re-invention of the game here in Philadelphia, we decided to follow MtG's footsteps, and imposed a Restricted List, which this planet made its way onto tout sweet.
We also restricted the Discard Equivalency, Temp Engineer, Alliance Treaty, and Accelerated Timeline.
And for the first time in over a decade, my friend George and I played a duel that lasted over an hour...
Oh, and a deck stacking limit of 150 cards, plus the stacking limit of 8) LvL-1 through 3, and 4 of all LvLs 4 through 9.
Peace.
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