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Posted: 17 December 2007 at 11:10am \| IP Logged

And, Wolfie, I don't care if you need to rant or not. Go buy a plant and rant away to it instead. Name calling is not called for. Mog has interpretted the rules in a different way than us. I can actually see *WHY* he interpretted it in such fashion.

After countless rules questions, from people all over this country, with one group putting their own unique spin on the rules and the cards in print, I come back to the point of throwing interpretation out the window, and just going with what the cards say.

Yes, I was in a mood most foul before I saw the diatribe that Mog had posted and I blew my stack at him. But, it doesn't mean that I agree with every different way people here interpret cards.

I play this game by the book rules, and by the card rules. I do have a thorough grasp on English, as I am a published author it's part of the job.

I don't interpret the cards any way except how they are written.
Geko is correct, the TS is a suspension effect, and after the TS goes away, any card under it would continue to resolve. Cards that are Phase-specific, like Phaser Malfunction, would be discarded because the phase in which they are legally played has passed.
But other cards, like FTS, would simply pick up where they left off.

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Posted: 17 December 2007 at 12:33pm \| IP Logged

Yes, I was in a mood most foul before I saw the diatribe that Mog had posted and I blew my stack at him. But, it doesn't mean that I agree with every different way people here interpret cards.

I think that is about as close to an apology as you are going to get from Wolfie folks. ;)

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Posted: 17 December 2007 at 2:49pm \| IP Logged

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Posted: 19 December 2007 at 5:24pm \| IP Logged

I like the way MTG has 'keywords' that cover a whole section of rules. This allows them to print more info on the card and cleans up wording from card to card.

As an example, you could give the various 'carrier' units the key word Carrier and then define off the card exactly what it did. If the card had room then you could explain what Carrier meant on the card.

I'd like to see 'full card' art for more cards and of course a higher quality of art in general. GE wasn't bad at all but there are a few cards that are just UGLY!

I'd also like to be able to trade in my old cards for new ones - presumably printed on higher quality stock - but I know that wont happen.

On line play would be a serious plus. As a player that lives outside the NE (though I did go to Cornell for a couple of years) the NE centric nature of the game was a bit frustrating. It would be nice to participate in the game's conventions/gatherings without having to travel 1500 miles.

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Posted: 20 December 2007 at 6:24am \| IP Logged

As to the keywording, I assume you're refering to words like "Trample" and "First Strike".
Those would be good add ons for the game, should it actually revive.

Online via Shareware was our first choice, but, until the rights can be secured, everything is still in the planning phases.

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Posted: 20 December 2007 at 8:39am \| IP Logged

I'd like to see 'full card' art for more cards and of course a higher quality of art in general. GE wasn't bad at all but there are a few cards that are just UGLY!

That was in the Alpha/Beta days. The art got a lot better later, especially when I became art director. ;)

Except at the tale end when we ran out of money. :(

As an example, you could give the various 'carrier' units the key word Carrier and then define off the card exactly what it did. If the card had room then you could explain what Carrier meant on the card.

This would have been great. And, I think it was what we were working toward. If you recall, MtG doesn't start out with those "keywords". First Strike was written out completely on the card.

I'd also like to be able to trade in my old cards for new ones - presumably printed on higher quality stock - but I know that wont happen.

Actually, the original Alpha and Berta were printed on a better stock. They were printed on more of a linen "paper". Which meant that they didn't chip or peel like the newer cards do. But, the company quickly learned that it was (a) too expensive and (2) none of the players recognized this fact, and wanted it wish the same (cheap) paper stock that other card games used.

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Posted: 20 December 2007 at 1:42pm \| IP Logged

I too liked the Alpha/Beta linen style cards. I'm not sure you could have printed the 'holographic' art on it but it was durable.

Yes, I mean the MTG keywords like First Strike, Defender, etc... it makes CCGs so much easier to print/read/understand.

Is someone actively pursuing the rights to the game? I've seen talk from time to time on the board but nothing definitive.

Online via shareware is a great idea. See my Thread in news and misc. for my efforts with OCTGN.

I think any 'new' version of the game should avoid the 'print your own cards' that people were allowed to do. They weren't bad but if I have to see advertising on my CCGs then I'm goning to expect some cost savings to be passed on to me.

I'd like to see an alternative game format that made single player a bit better. It seems very hard to recover from a poor start - or perhaps I just suck as a player.

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Posted: 20 December 2007 at 8:37pm \| IP Logged

I don't think there's been a serious offer for the game since it first went out of business, when the person who was awarded the rights was asking for a ridiculous sum.

As far as print your own cards goes... I would say allow the people who win tournaments to design a terrain, crew, ship, etc. to represent their homeworld, themselves, or their ride, etc. Something that gets printed in every set, but lets people who win impact the game somewhat.

This works for L5R, where people who win get to choose a card that's reprinted in a more powerful form in a later set.

In MtG, the person who wins their Type 2 Worlds Tournament gets their likeness on a card and gets to help come up with the rules for it (Meddling Mage, Rootwater Thief, and Dark Confidant are three that come to mind for this.)

This is a good stance to take regarding that issue.

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Posted: 22 December 2007 at 12:27pm \| IP Logged

As long as full blown Promo cards don't come back, and the ones in print already are severely curtailed.

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Posted: 22 December 2007 at 11:10pm \| IP Logged

Allowing players to help design cards to be printed in sets would be a much fairer way then the "promo card system" that was used before. People who win tournaments would earn the right to make up the cards, so the players who play the "best" (this is debatable, but for the sake of argument the winner is the best) gets to contribute the most.

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Posted: 25 December 2007 at 1:00pm \| IP Logged

All promo cards will do is cause another huge war of the wallet. That is bad. A lot of broken cards were allowed to be printed with very few checks and balances to ensure smooth game flow.

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Posted: 17 January 2008 at 4:14pm \| IP Logged

For the first time I can say that I completely agree with everything Wolf said in a post. I can, at times, find something I agree with but in this case I agree with everything.

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Posted: 17 January 2008 at 6:16pm \| IP Logged

::Points at Gala:: See, I'm not the only one... Just look at my auctions... What sells? The promos..
Why?
Because unless you knew a vendor back then, there was no way of getting the cards.

I believe that if GE had started in 2005 and not 1995, it would still be around today. With the Internet running at full tilt boogie, cards would be trading hands at the speed of light. Rules would be ironed out in a few hours via online chat, and the whole process of running the company would have been conducted with mouse clicks.

Again, just my honest opinion...

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Posted: 18 January 2008 at 8:27am \| IP Logged

and the whole process of running the company would have been conducted with mouse clicks.

Then you have no idea what went in to running the company.

No offense.

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Posted: 18 January 2008 at 11:27am \| IP Logged

If GE had been started in 2005, it would still be around because the company lasted at least two years.

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Posted: 18 January 2008 at 12:21pm \| IP Logged

If GE lasted another 2 years me would have me time machine working. Me go back and fix things. Oh I do I do have me time machine working. I fix .Go buy more cards. Organize Turney, Develope game for picture box Find server thingy. Its time to rumble. GE is not dead it is just taking a long Dirt Nap.

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Posted: 18 January 2008 at 12:23pm \| IP Logged

Hey remember Spock regenerated from a cell.

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Posted: 18 January 2008 at 1:50pm \| IP Logged

But cells didn't need cash to function...

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Posted: 18 January 2008 at 2:17pm \| IP Logged

Well as for cash I have a people with it who trust my judgement. (Ain't that a joke) Here I am buying more of what I already have alot of with no potenal market, and out of my own pocket. Is there a method to my maddness, I think so. Plus its fun. Promote Promote Promote Get the dirt off my face so I can see agin Wake me up. Cup of Coffee please Just call me GE GE Jr. Did you know Money grows with a little Love. I know your saying to your self "SELF That Dude ain't all there" Well it could be true. But if it livens up the Forum I say go for it. If you want to wake up the dead make alot of noise. Least wize thats what Ma used to say. Try to stimulate the game and everything else will follow. Otherwize this would become a boreing place to be. Thanks to those that contribute you make it worth wild. Now to hear from some of you on lookers would help. You don't need to know nothing, Express yourselfs.

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Posted: 18 January 2008 at 2:37pm \| IP Logged

As for game changes if it comes back (When) The Forum will contribute to the problems that need to be addressed. I am sure who ever is in charge will have to have an understanding of the game macanics and the procedures for sales, printing, promoting, Handleing employees, ect ect (All Those things you push type keys for HAHA right) There would have to be a board to review potental new cards and Promos. Everything that could cause an interaction with the exsisting game. An alternate idea might be to allow exsisting cards to be Promoed with out altering the play of the card. Even potentualy changeing art work to satisfy the client on their Promo Choice. As for rules clarification that is a given that must be addressed, Probaly by the New Rules Board that would have to be created

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Posted: 20 January 2008 at 3:29pm \| IP Logged

Well, from what I learned from Marhault, he allegedly knows who holds the rights, but because of the break up of our little card group, he has since lost interest in pursuing those rights.

His loss I guess. I can't help it that Verc is a WoW addict with a capitol A..

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Posted: 14 February 2008 at 9:47am \| IP Logged

An update: Our group is alive and well. Marhault and I patched up our differences, though we both agree Verc is a waste of humanity that, like a cancer, needs to removed from society before he drags anyone else down into his dismal abyss.
16 hours a day playing World of Warcraft, while having your 70+ yr old parents foot all of your bills is no way to exist.

Marhault may still look into acquiring the rights to GE, and may actually just leave it alone, with a few corrections to some of the more vague rules to ease playability.

More on this in the future...

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