Posted: 05 August 2008 at 8:24am | IP Logged

-Howdy all. E8 Starburst Accelerator. Consumes half the energy output of the system/star/dwarf to deal damage. So what if the terrain in question only produces Economy?

Can i still play the E8 to it? Do i have to generate economy as energy and pay the piper? Or do i have to play it to another terrain that actually produces at least one energy? Any help appreciated, thanks in advance.

Lobo

Posted: 05 August 2008 at 8:58am | IP Logged

I look at the card this way... You pay a price (1/2 the terrain's energy output) to get the benefit (deal some damage). If you can't pay the price (1/2 energy) you can't get the benefit.

It seems similar to the engagement costs. I want to use the cards weapons but can't if I can't pay the engagement cost.

J--

Posted: 05 August 2008 at 6:12pm | IP Logged

If you can't pay the price you can't get the reward... imo.

.. and you shouldn't ever get to fire it at me! :)

J--

Posted: 06 August 2008 at 9:07am | IP Logged

So cards that describe a penalty you must endure in order to gain their benefit can be played without paying the penalty and the benefit still used?

I'll have to look through my collection for other cards that can be abused in this manner.

Which in my opinion is just wrong but hey Gecko worked for them not me.

J--

Posted: 06 August 2008 at 12:32pm | IP Logged

I re-read after I posted and I can see the point. The line about consuming energy is seperate.

Now for some more questions...

If the terrain makes economy do you need to spend it as energy to satisfy the line about consuming energy?

If you use the economy as energy to power something else do you only get half of what you produce?

J--

Posted: 07 August 2008 at 6:28am | IP Logged

T10 Mayfair system doesn't...

Now I gotta pack stuff to kill equipment.

:)

J--

Posted: 07 August 2008 at 11:21am | IP Logged

Go ahead, I'd like to hear them.

J--

Posted: 07 August 2008 at 3:14pm | IP Logged

-The Occurence card that destroys a terrain can effectively commit 20+ points of damage as well. Add the R/L4 Monster Overstrike to the Dragon combo and you have meat for dinner.

If i run into this again, i'll be sure to play the E8 to the terrain that only puts out 1 energy resource as i think you round down for that stuff. Or if i put it on the Mayfair system (or any other economy-only terrain) i will likely convert two of those to energy and pay the piper for the third.

Thanks for the discussion.....Lobo

Posted: 11 August 2008 at 11:31pm | IP Logged

I think you should think of the energy requirement as, "Oh crap, we screwed up that rule didn't we..."

It seems obvious that to me that the card should require energy to use otherwise why even include it.

Luckily, I play against one opponent who has a pretty good grasp of what makes sense and what doesn't. I can't imagine playing in an argumentative multi-player group with this card.

J--

Posted: 12 August 2008 at 4:00pm | IP Logged

What I don't understand is why was the rule printed in the first place? If it isn't a requirement then why put it on the card? The card consumes 1/2 a terrain's energy if you make the mistake of playing it on a card with energy. Otherwise, it is free damage with no cost other than the card play required to get it on the table.

The damage is treated as weapons damage... can it target the sector HQ?

J--