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Posted: 02 May 2007 at 4:30pm | IP Logged Quote Eaglepreacher

Ok;lets start at the beggining. Deck stocking.Keep in mind that the game requires Balance and not just what You'd like.  You have to assume everyone can have access to all cards.  Cards are not to be restricted except by individual groups by concensus.  so with that in mind for the month of may lets concentrate on at least this subject.

1 minimum 40 cards

2 at least 8 card types with 5 of each, if more than 8 card types used then 9th and subsequent sets are not restricted to 5 cards.

3 1 card of each strength up to highest

4 1 strength exception per 50 cards

5 1 strength 10 card per 25 cards

6  Identical card limits....       8 strength 1,2,3       4 strength 4,5     3 strength 6,7     2 strength 8,9          1 strength 10

Major empire cards state so in title above or below picture, background does not matter, since some cards do not have proper background.  Only one major empire in deck.

Minor empire.  May be used as a major if so desired.

Minor empire cards(if not used as major empire)  are stocked 1 per 4 major empire ships.  Minor empire cards other than ships are stocked as 1 per 4 card of same type.  eg 1 bolaar system stocked per any 4 other terrain.

 

The exact wording of these rules can be found in the rule book.  Did i get anything wrong. I think for game balance the standard rules with the tournament exception rule of 1 per 50 should all stand.. ANd let the debate begin...

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Posted: 02 May 2007 at 6:04pm | IP Logged Quote Aramax

as a person who regularly plays 80 card decks I totally reject the one exception for every 50 cards out of hand,there was nothing wrong w/a flat 3
however 3 or 1 for every 50 whichever is higher is a thought
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Posted: 02 May 2007 at 6:42pm | IP Logged Quote Eaglepreacher

so the ruling could state, 1 per 50 minimum 3
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Posted: 02 May 2007 at 10:34pm | IP Logged Quote Tarquon

I kinda like '1 per 50 minimum 1'.
it encourages more interesting decks (IMO).

some mention of technology slots may be appropriate here as well.
I'm not sure that 'technology slot' is the correct terminology.
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Posted: 02 May 2007 at 11:23pm | IP Logged Quote Galactus

Actually....it was my understanding that the exceptions rule was 1 per 25
cards....just like entities. Am I wrong?
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Posted: 03 May 2007 at 12:05am | IP Logged Quote MogwaiSC

Yes. Exceptions are 1 per 50 cards, not 25. I don't remember where I
read it, but that is the rule.
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Posted: 03 May 2007 at 12:25pm | IP Logged Quote Aramax

Tarquon wrote:
I kinda like '1 per 50 minimum 1'.
it encourages more interesting decks (IMO).

some mention of technology slots may be appropriate here as well.
I'm not sure that 'technology slot' is the correct terminology.

The main reason I make 80 card decks is so that I can use 8 of a 1-3 not just time skips but lucky targeting ,phase rats,burocracy.I also make what I call'5th Fleets'where I put in lots of 5s w/temporal repitition

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Posted: 03 May 2007 at 5:16pm | IP Logged Quote Eaglepreacher

The ruling for exceptions I took off Erics 2.1 rule's site.

As for mentioning technology slots, that would come later.  Remember this is to design a rulebook 3.0, trying to iron out kinks and to make a better game from what we already have.  There it states a 1/2 exception every 25, which means 1 per 50.

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Posted: 03 May 2007 at 9:03pm | IP Logged Quote Tarquon

Tech slots are a concern in deck stocking. I thought it would be appropriate
to include them in this section.

I prefer the a minimum of 1 exception because it gives deck power-ups for
every 50 cards and dilutes the influence of the exceptions. A small deck is
all about speed and efficiency. Exceptions in these decks are likely to realize
higher utility (than if they were in a bigger deck) and thus have a greater
impact on the game. While I can appreciate this from a strategic
perspective, I enjoy the game more when a greater variety of cards are in
play (bigger decks). Just my preference - I don't expect everyone to agree.
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Posted: 03 May 2007 at 9:22pm | IP Logged Quote Galactus

I love big decks....on average...most of my decks are in the 300 to 500 card
range....and contrary to belief on this site.....Big decks kick ass. Ask
MosaiSC how effective they are...
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Posted: 04 May 2007 at 12:58am | IP Logged Quote MogwaiSC

Yeah, but I haven't spent $25K on cards for this game either... :P
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Posted: 04 May 2007 at 1:07am | IP Logged Quote Galactus

I have not spent $25k....
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Posted: 04 May 2007 at 6:30am | IP Logged Quote Gekonauak

I will take my 100 card deck and beat your 500 card deck every time. Don't believe me? come out to GenCon and i'll prove it. :)

Oh, and i havn't spent 25k on cards either. ;)
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Posted: 04 May 2007 at 8:58am | IP Logged Quote Tarquon

Try this exercise: think back over your time with GE then list some of the more memorable games or game plays and also who won.

I recall many interesting games & plays, but not so much who won.  Maybe I could recall who had the highest winning percentage in our group, but that's not so interesting (especially if you're not in our group).  When we discuss the game there's much more "remember when this happened" than "you've won x times".  We had a couple times where winning became the focus but I brought nothing good away from that (I won as much as I lost - BTW). 

I found more interesting than winning exploring the different combos, deck themes & strategies.  This game is rich with variety.  I played a few 60-80 cards decks but found them dull after a couple games.  For me it's all about the play experience and bigger (crafted, of course) decks provide more.

Also, look at the contents on this forum.  There is no ranking service and the most popular topics are rules discussions and shared experiences.  Perhaps that's why GE had such a loyal following.

Or maybe it was due to the object of the game: to have fun (not to win!).  go ahead, look it up in the rules!
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Posted: 04 May 2007 at 12:13pm | IP Logged Quote Galactus

Tarquon hits the nail right on the head. I built my decks bigger because it
allowed me card combos that were impossible in smaller decks. For
instance, with a 500 card deck I have 20 entities. There have been several
(dozens) of games were I have managed to get 4 or 5 entities into play all
at the same time!!! One game I had a Gohest on his ship with an E10 dark
circuitry...he was laying waste when someone else hit him with an O9
catastrophic Rep and blew him out of the sky...luckliy....I had a hypercube
in my hand and I saved him....the next turn....I pulled a T9 Spy central
with a T10 Super Massive Star....and then I played a Dyson Sphere to it
along with an E9 Starburst Excelerator...and then it was game over...

That could never have happened with a BORING 100 card efficient deck. I
much prefer to experince the novelty of not knowing exactly what cards
are going to come up...and yet...knowing that whatever comes up I have
built in enough diversity that I will get a powerful hand almost every time.

So bring on that pipsqueak 100 card thingy of yours!! By the by....what
race is it?

GALACTUS

ps. Our group plays with a 4 reserve card 4 command point base limit up
to 4 players...and then we add an additional card and command point for
each player after the 4th. My deck strategies do not work with a 2 card
reserve.
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Posted: 05 May 2007 at 5:50pm | IP Logged Quote Eaglepreacher

of course there is an alternative style of deck stocking.  I dont think it would work well for GE though.  It would go by points using the strengths of the cards.  It would only work best for duels in my opinion, but it would need to keep some of the other deck stock rules as well.  Else a 100 point game would have a deck with 10 entities in it.
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Posted: 08 May 2007 at 7:32am | IP Logged Quote Gekonauak

hahaha!

Or maybe it was due to the object of the game: to have fun (not to win!). go ahead, look it up in the rules!

That one i'll take full credit for. I came on board Companion Games and one of my chief duties was to revise everything for Universe edition.

That little line was mine.
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Posted: 08 May 2007 at 7:41am | IP Logged Quote Gekonauak

my deck can beat your deck was strictly a response to the "Big decks kick ass" comment. If you build big decks with the sole purpose to have fun while playing, then i'm all for it.

Just don't complain in a tournament when a 100 card deck beats you. 'cause it will. ;)

My 100-125 card deck was Gekos.

I also have a 70 card dueling deck. It was Vektrean. I was able to fleet at least 5-6 ships.
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Posted: 24 June 2007 at 6:35pm | IP Logged Quote MogwaiSC

Could you post these decks you're mentioning Geko? I would really like to
see how other people build small decks, because I find it difficult to build
small decks myself. I think the small I've ever been able to build a deck is
about 165 cards.
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Posted: 17 July 2007 at 10:22am | IP Logged Quote Aramax

MogwaiSC wrote:
Could you post these decks you're mentioning Geko? I would really like to
see how other people build small decks, because I find it difficult to build
small decks myself. I think the small I've ever been able to build a deck is
about 165 cards.

see my thread on restricted list

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