Posted: 05 November 2007 at 8:49pm | IP Logged

RobPro wrote: Here's my take on that card. You have an R/C9 Temporal Engineer in play on a ship. An opponent fires a volley at another ship. You play Instant Reaction on the Engineer to move him to that other ship and discard him for his ability. I don't know if it would trigger the card draw. I never personally thought Instant Reaction had much use. Am I interpreting it wrong?

No, I think you're right. I also don't think that you'd get the draws because of the wording change in the errata... its not 'as if just played' it is just in reaction mode.

Posted: 05 November 2007 at 9:09pm | IP Logged

R/C9 Temporal Engineer: The temporal engineer states "Immediately draw 2 cards when this is played". Immediately means during the current phase (rather than during the Draw Cards Phase). When played means this function may only be used when the card was just played.

There seems to be some problem with an L9 Accellerated Timeline and two temporal engineers fetching each other from the bottom of the deck to get an infinite number of 2 card draws. The accellerated timeline does not allow this. See "L9 Accellerated Timeline" in this section.

Posted: 06 November 2007 at 6:55am | IP Logged

RobPro wrote: My point was more or less it lets you use his ignore the volley ability on another location. Was that what you were asking? You didn't actually post a question... makes it confusing on me.

I think the responses were due to the fact that you added a question "Am I interpreting this wrong?" at the end of your first post on the topic.

The responses were to say that no, we agree with your interpretation then showing why the Temporal Engineer wouldn't get its 2 card draws if an Instant Reaction was used with it.

I stopped using Instant React mainly because there are so very few low level reaction cards that would let you keep the Instant React. The most common combo that I used to see the Instant React used with was a Terrain Attack Shuttle.

Posted: 12 November 2007 at 12:26pm | IP Logged

Instant reaction is IMHO the best card in the gamedoubling

unlucky targetting,phaser malfunction tractor beam and crinkled time line and getting the IR back make it a killer card

Posted: 20 November 2007 at 12:30pm | IP Logged

"According to the rules section of this forum, cards which are played and then discarded are NOT considered in play, yet the IR states that it can be played to any reaction card in play."

-If this first part is true, the rules section of this forum is wrong (if it were up to me). The card *has* to be in play, even if just for a theoretical moment, as it is eligible to be reacted to. If it were never in play, it would not affect anything and could not resolve its action or card rule(s).

It's a logic problem, for those that are into that sort of thing. Firstly, the card must be played. Otherwise, it doesn't work. Well, if it's not considered "in play" then where the hell do you play it to? Makes zero sense and is against the plain meaning and intent of the card mechanic.

Secondly, if it is "discarded" only after it has been played, where are we discarding it *from*? The hand? No, as that would prevent the card from being played, resolving, and being eligible to be reacted to.

Finally, reactions in most games, including this one, resolve top-down. Kind of like slap-jack with better graphics. The trick is, you have to react to *something*, you cannot generally react to your own reaction to a different event. My argument would not be whether anything is in play or not, but that the Instant Reaction (as clarified in the new wording) is not an eligible play in your scenario as Player B is reacting to his/her own reaction, which i would think is not a legal card play.

If Player B were to play the Luck card on his own turn, then react to the opponent reacting to that play, sure. But i would think: unless the card rule allows the Instant Reaction to be played in concert with another reaction card and reacting *to the same event*, that it is not a legal card play as a second reaction to Player A's one event of firing a volley.

So, to answer your question directly...(insert drumroll here)...

...i dunno...good luck with it, have a good holiday.....Lobo

Posted: 21 November 2007 at 8:26am | IP Logged

-I think the part i have a problem with is that you propose playing more than one reaction card in reaction to a single event. If the rules do not prohibit this, it is unfortunate, becuase it should be limited in this way. Once you play a single reaction card in reaction to the volley, it is my position you cannot play a second reaction card reacting to the same event. Certainly you can play however you wish, but i wouldn't play with this as a rule.

Extend the logic of that position, you could play 5 time skips to your opponent playing a single ship card and effectively wipe out his fleet in a single reaction sequence. If the rules don't prohibit such a play, they should because it's idiotic.

Here's the other thing. Part of the IR card is already supposing, by the plain meaning of the text, that the card it is being played to is *not* being played in reaction. The key part is the card rule:

"-The reaction card may use its functions in reaction mode, moving to any location."

Now why would the card rule allow the reaction card the ability "may use its function in reaction mode" when it's already in reaction mode? Again, it doesn't make sense. It would appear that the card rule anticipates this is used on a card that is already in play, either played in reaction or normally a turn previous or used for its other function(s) as applicable.

Bottom Line: Trying to play more than one reaction card in reaction to a single event is something i would house rule to prohibit if the rules don't cover it, as it skews the power levels on these cards and seems counter-intuitive. And if i am misinterpreting a point here and have added a worthless post, forgive me. Play as you wish, have fun and have a good holiday season all.....Lobo

Posted: 21 November 2007 at 10:00am | IP Logged

-Well dress me in a skirt and call me Shirley, i didn't know you could play more than one reaction card to a single event.

I think i need more reaction cards in my decks.....Lobo