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marhawkman
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Posted: 18 October 2010 at 12:54pm | IP Logged Quote marhawkman
I had an interesting though yesterday.  Some terrain cards don't specify exactly what astronomical object they're supposed to represent.  what rulings are there for these?
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Posted: 18 October 2010 at 12:58pm | IP Logged Quote Gekonauak
I'm not sure it matters.
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Posted: 18 October 2010 at 8:18pm | IP Logged Quote MogwaiSC
There are some examples (that I can't remember specifically off the
top of my head) that have keywords such as 'system', 'star', 'planet',
etc. Some ability cards and other combining terrain cards specify
they must be played to a 'system', or something like that.
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Posted: 19 October 2010 at 2:50pm | IP Logged Quote Gekonauak
yeah, but since this card isn't marked. It doesn't apply to those circumstances. Can't have cards that specify "must be played to a system", etc.
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Posted: 20 October 2010 at 2:49pm | IP Logged Quote marhawkman
I'm wondering because well.....  It's confuzzling...  Can it have moons?
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Posted: 20 October 2010 at 2:51pm | IP Logged Quote Gekonauak
what are you looking to specifically?
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Posted: 20 October 2010 at 2:58pm | IP Logged Quote marhawkman
Basically I'm asking about what Mogwai said.  Most Terrains have a category.  This and a few others aren't specified.
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Posted: 20 October 2010 at 2:59pm | IP Logged Quote Gekonauak
that means that you cannot use this and other cards similar in combination with cards that specify the type of terrain they effect.
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Posted: 21 October 2010 at 10:47pm | IP Logged Quote MogwaiSC
marhawkman wrote:
I'm wondering because well.....  It's
confuzzling...  Can it have moons?


As long as it doesn't say somewhere on the card that it 'must' be
played to a 'system' or 'star', etc. you shouldn't have any problem. If
it simply says 'played to a terrain card' then you're good; as long as it
has a "T" up there in the left hand corner, it's a terrain card.
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Posted: 22 October 2010 at 3:19pm | IP Logged Quote marhawkman
Ah, this is something I feels need to be addressed in GE2.0. 
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Posted: 23 October 2010 at 1:29pm | IP Logged Quote Lobo
-I'm not sure there's anything here that needs to be addressed. I can imagine certain Terrain cards that are powerful in and of themselves to such a degree that balance would call for them to be required as a stand alone i.e. not be able to have such cards played to them.

This would also protect them if any penalty or consequence cards required such a category. So, you have limitations such as "cannot be combined" or you eliminate the sub-category so they cannot have Ability or other beneficial/negative cards played to them that only apply to stars/systems/asteroids etc.

In this case with Shin, you just don't get to play such cards to it. I'm not sure how that's a problem.

Good journey.

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Posted: 25 October 2010 at 10:19am | IP Logged Quote marhawkman

Well, it offends my sense of order......

And it's an awkward gameplay feature.
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Posted: 25 October 2010 at 10:20am | IP Logged Quote marhawkman
Actually the description fits a: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogue_planet
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Posted: 26 October 2010 at 5:30pm | IP Logged Quote Lobo
-I think i'll play my broken record here:

i would then encourage you to propose a house rule to your play group to assign a sub-category to it as you see fit. Nothin' wrong with that!

Have a good one.

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Posted: 27 October 2010 at 12:49am | IP Logged Quote MogwaiSC
If the specific card you want to play to the Shinnicera specifically says
something like "only played to a system" then it won't work.
But, unless it says something like that, you should be able to play it
to the T9.
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Posted: 29 October 2010 at 12:25pm | IP Logged Quote marhawkman
this reminds me of another thing that popped up.  Does a protostar count as a star?
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Posted: 03 November 2010 at 1:42pm | IP Logged Quote Gekonauak
for what reason?
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Posted: 04 November 2010 at 3:19am | IP Logged Quote MogwaiSC
If the word "star" is in the title, then it counts as a star.
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Posted: 04 November 2010 at 8:11am | IP Logged Quote Gekonauak
but, the word "star" is not in the title, "protostar" is.

That is why I am asking for an example.

I don't think just because Protostar contains the word "star" within it it necessarily applies.
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Posted: 05 November 2010 at 1:56pm | IP Logged Quote marhawkman

And thus the reason I asked... though this kinda reminds me of a question that popped up related to Martian fluxx.  "Are Humans in Black still treated as humans?'

Hehhehe....  :D  hilarious huh?
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Posted: 05 November 2010 at 3:31pm | IP Logged Quote Lobo
-Nothing in the faq, rules or Galactic Fires count a protostar as a star. If the rules said "Any card with '...star...' in the title", then i would agree it would count. It only states 'star' without room for derivations. I am open to being wrong, however.

But I think a protostar isn't actually a star, more like the beginning phases of the formation of a star. Kinda like a kid in junior high, before they get fat and republican.

House rule away!

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Posted: 07 November 2010 at 1:31pm | IP Logged Quote MogwaiSC
Lobo wrote:
... more like the beginning phases of the formation
of a star.


So how does that then make it NOT a star?
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Posted: 07 November 2010 at 6:16pm | IP Logged Quote Lobo
""So how does that then make it NOT a star?""

-A tadpole isn't a frog, a caterpillar isn't a moth or a butterfly, quartz isn't sand, etc until other stuff happens to it...

Again, open to being wrong, but the word 'protostar' is different than just 'star'. Since only 4 of us play, though, i encourage a houserule/interpretation here if you do not agree, problem solved. If you interpret it is a star, no worries.

And if you had a degree in astrophysics, i'd believe you if you said it was, in fact, a star.

Lobo

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Posted: 08 November 2010 at 8:49am | IP Logged Quote MogwaiSC
A tadpole is still the same genus and species as a frog; it has the
same DNA, the same genetic evolutionary history, etc. So just
because it has a different physical form, does that make it not a
frog? A human infant does not have the same physical form as an
adolescent or adult human, it does not even have the same
biological processes going on in its biochemistry and physiology
as an adult, so does that make the infant a chimpanzee?

Yes, the word is different, but simply because the label is
different, does that change what it is? Simply put, no.

Here is some background info on what a protostar is:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protostar

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-protostar.htm

http://burro.astr.cwru.edu/stu/advanced/stars_birth.html

http://www.chacha.com/question/what-is-the-difference-
between-a-protostar-and-a-star

A protostar IS a star, merely one in a different form or stage, just
as the tadpole IS a frog, and an infant IS a human.

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Posted: 08 November 2010 at 9:01am | IP Logged Quote Gekonauak
I see no reason why a Protostar could not be counted as a "Star" card.

What cards specifically deal with Stars?

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Posted: 08 November 2010 at 3:29pm | IP Logged Quote Lobo
-Cut down on the caffeine. The capital letters aren't necessary.  The rest of my reply i deleted, because quite frankly i just don't care that much.

Besides, i still win with the caterpillar and quartz examples. So there nyah.

Lobo, who thinks two outta three ain't bad and that tadpoles are not frogs


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Posted: 08 November 2010 at 4:27pm | IP Logged Quote marhawkman
Isn't the type of sand you mentioned made of the mineral Quartz?
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Ah, the various star cards:
A3 star walker
B1 anti-starcraft
C1 starving artist
E8 starburst accelerator
O4&6 starship insurance
S- various star cruisers, etc
TB9 Vek starbase
TB10 Vek flagstar
and more
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hunh, I was pondering this again and thought "protostar is to star what cinderblocks are to cinderblock wall". < =text/ src="https://count.carrierzone.com/app/count_/count.js"> < =text/> < =text/ src="https://count.carrierzone.com/app/count_/count_piwik.js"> < =text/>
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Posted: 15 January 2013 at 12:13pm | IP Logged Quote Gekonauak
by game rules, no, they are not stars.

But, like I mentioned before, why does it matter? Both protostars are T3s that generate 3 energy. I can't think of any card combination that would make counting them as stars unbalanced.

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