Posted: 28 October 2007 at 12:23pm | IP Logged

Not so fast Werewolf, you might want to say that is what YOU want to do. Might be best not to try to make a decision unilaterally. :P

We're still messing with the Psy and Infester decks too, it wasn't like any of them have been successful yet.

Posted: 05 November 2007 at 9:42am | IP Logged

werewolflht65 wrote: "Besides, until I shoved your nose back into GE Verc, you'd been happy playing Heroes V and talking to your Aussie girlfriend. As far as I am concerned, Harley and Ascher are new, and thus moldable. I don't want them seeing the game at its broken worst, but rather see it as what it could have been. And now that Harry is out of the picture (Like I was hoping would happen; yes, I set him up to fail by bringing him to the tourney, because I knew he'd show his true colors), we can bring back the Restricted List and deck builder format that was working so well for us before."  Anyway, here is the Restricted List our group uses: Yo! Philly Style! The Power Nine are Restricted to one copy per deck. The list is below: 1) L-9 Accelerated Time Line 2) O-9 Alliance Treaty 3) E-7 Cloning Device 4) L-9 Discard Equivalency 5) A-6 Promotion 6) T-4 Reactionary World 7) O-6 Tech Breakthrough 8) O-8 Tech Breakthrough 9) R/C-9 Temporal Engineer Decks can be a minimum of 60 cards, with a maximum of 200 cards. No restrictions on Spy Terrain; The AMRD only has the Transporter function. No other static changes, though we do experiment with other rules variants. 9)

You're still making decisions unilaterally. :P

You're also forgetting some things. If I'm playing GE, I'm playing it for fun, not as an ego trip. I didn't come to win at that Entity Challenge, I came to have fun and try to let everyone else at the table have fun too. Hence my choice for the whole Galactic Armageddon followed by the Casino-Tactical officer routine that annoyed you so much.

You have to remember that there is no real reason to choose playing GE over Heroes 5 if I'm NOT having fun. I'm certainly not going to choose it over my girl.

As for Harley and Ascher, let them make their own decisions. They are not stupid people, they are perfectly capable of coming to an opinion on their own. What you should have said in that post is "Here is the restricted list I want my group to use." 

The fact is that there hasn't been much playing yet in our local group period. Nothing is set in stone and it is dishonest to represent the situation as such. There hasn't been more than a couple of games played under ANY format, let alone your proposed restricted list.

The whole thing between you and Harry is the product of a longstanding love-hate relationship which I really DON'T want to go into any depth with here, because it would have no meaning to these folks. Suffice it to say that you just showed how personal it is for you by your own statement above. You've got your own ego involved in this big time. I don't like being caught in the middle of it because I'm friends with both of you. I have a limit of how much I can tolerate playing the peacemaker, and I refuse to be used as a weapon by either one of you against the other.

It is wise to remember that none of us Philly locals were playing GE for years. All those cards were gathering dust. There are a very limited number of us in the area with any interest in the game at all. Deliberately alienating any of them for ego reasons is kind of silly don't you think? There is no room for cliques.

As you noticed, I wasn't there for this weekend. To put it bluntly, I needed time off from the bullsh*t. I didn't want to hear any more tirades against Harry when he wasn't there to defend himself. I also didn't want to spend the time to rebuild my decks yet again for rules of the day.

Frannkly, I'm in favor of letting Harley and Ascher learn the game as is, because then you'll get an informed opinion from both of them about what they like and dislike, and then we all can form a collective opinion on how we all want to play.

There is a problem with constantly varying the rules format as well... you need time to work out the consequences of each rule change. You're not going to find out what you need to know from a couple of games, its just not enough of a sample to produce statistically valid results. There are too many variables.

As an example, most of the time you and I have duelled we were using decks built to all sorts of different rules variants against each other. Most of the time it wasn't even the same variant that we played against each other. That doesn't exactly constitute much of a test, and again, we have not played enough games to qualify as a valid statistical sample.

The only deck I built to try out the 'no support' and 'command point played engaged position' variants was that Psy deck... which I also was using to see whether I could make the Psys work AND to avoid as much as possible the 'power nine' you like to talk about. From our games it worked pretty well till it ran into one of your decks with a lot of crew killing built into it. Was it a failure just because it did very poorly against what was essentially a counter deck? No, that's about exactly what should have happened. Were those games enouh to really give those rules variants a thorough workout? Hardly.

When I'm making suggestions and comments on this board what I am looking for is feedback. I always have in mind that the people on this board essentially like GE as is, or they would not be here. I'm not the one and only voice of truth. My goal is to stimulate thought, and hopefully out-of-box thought at that. I'm sure that I've got stuff to learn from communication and listening myself.

You might want to keep that in mind.