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Blacklassie
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Posted: 02 February 2009 at 12:44pm | IP Logged Quote Blacklassie

The card reads

-May only be played on a stack totaling more than 20 strength points.

-Causes the stack to be discarded.

-Placed at the bottom of the discard pile.

If I have a T4 reactonary world with an A10 Artificial Landmass and a C1 Science officer...is the terrain stack over 20 or is it 15 and cannot be spindled?

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Gekonauak
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Posted: 02 February 2009 at 1:27pm | IP Logged Quote Gekonauak
I'm assuming that one of the other cards increases the crew's strength?

Even if the stack goes over the 20 point mark, a frayed time spindle would still not be able to effect the card stack. See rules on T4 Reactionary World.
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Posted: 02 February 2009 at 1:35pm | IP Logged Quote Blacklassie

OK what if it is a different T4?...I guess the main question is does the artificial landmass count as making the terrain 20 for spindle purposes or do you go by the printed total of ten plus 4 for the terrain and 1 for the crew for 15?

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Gekonauak
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Posted: 02 February 2009 at 1:43pm | IP Logged Quote Gekonauak
it would be the modified total.

In theory... the terrain would be 20 + 10 for the Articficial Landmass + 1 for the crew

total: 31
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Posted: 07 February 2009 at 6:53am | IP Logged Quote Eaglepreacher
I would concur with geko assessment... the stack is 31
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Posted: 07 February 2009 at 9:56am | IP Logged Quote Blacklassie

If a stack has a reactionary world that cannot be affected by time cards ,plus a Corporate S9 with an E9 shroud and a C6 Cybermage on the ship, can a Spindle be played on the ship stack ignoring the reactionary world and removing the rest? Or does the whole stack have to be considered?

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Posted: 08 February 2009 at 1:15pm | IP Logged Quote RobPro
It depends on the wording of the Reactionary World. If you look at Chronos, you see the whole stack is protected, which includes stacks on the stack, so if Reactionary World is worded the same way, it works the same way.
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Posted: 08 February 2009 at 2:15pm | IP Logged Quote Blacklassie

You are right..the T4 reactionary world states the stack is not affected by time cards. Thanks

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Gekonauak
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Posted: 09 February 2009 at 9:44am | IP Logged Quote Gekonauak
Yes, it is the entire stack that is not affected.
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Posted: 18 March 2009 at 8:16pm | IP Logged Quote MogwaiSC
You put a cybermage on a ship!?

Why?

I'd put her on a Chronos or at least a Galactic Trade World. Toss in a B3
Heavy Planetary Shield or Dog House for extra protection.
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Posted: 19 March 2009 at 7:47am | IP Logged Quote Lobo
-Shrouds > Bases.

And no, i'm not going to explain or discuss it at all. I just think it's better protection than on *most* planets. So there nyah...

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Posted: 19 March 2009 at 11:26pm | IP Logged Quote MogwaiSC
Yeah, I get your point; an E9 Shroud is a fearsome thing. I'm fond of
pairing them up with an E9 Future Ship; lets you use the Shroud on
anything. Especially nice on a Bolaar Flagship with a Bolaar Pirate Captain;
engages the Shroud for free. :grin:

Still, even with the Shroud, there are things that won't have a problem with
it.
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I can't seem to post a new topic so this will have to do.  Question involving the Scorpead Comet of Lore and use of a Time Spindle.  As Blacklassie quoted from the card above, the spindle states it discards stacks that are in excess of 20 strength points.  The Comet states:

"Played to another terrain card, this comet is discarded only when that terrain is destroyed.

Any one Scorpead . . .

Does not add its strength to the terrain's.

Let's say a player had a T9 planet, a T8 Base on that T9 and the Scorpead comet of Lore on the T9 also.

Now the question is in the wording "strength points".  Which takes place?

The stack is discarded

or

the stack is not over strength 20 therefore the spindle can't be played on it

I will be interested in hearing your opinions . . .
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Posted: 30 March 2009 at 10:35am | IP Logged Quote Galaktische
The stack is clearly more than 20 points... the spindle
discards the stack.

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Posted: 30 March 2009 at 10:59am | IP Logged Quote Gekonauak
T9 + T7 + B8 = 24 strength points.

over 20, so it is discarded.
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Posted: 30 March 2009 at 1:06pm | IP Logged Quote Lobo
-As discussed elsewhere, since the Spindle plays to a "stack" it includes everything in that pile regardless of whether it actually combines with anything or not. So you total the bases, terrain(s), crew, equipment, french fries, potato salad, Guiness, and that cute waitress' phone number.

Greater than 20, we have a winner!

Nah, seriously, i agree with G&G.....Lobo
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Posted: 30 March 2009 at 1:44pm | IP Logged Quote Gekonauak
Now, one could indeed argue the fact that the L8 would be a part of the stack, therefore adding eight to the total.
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Posted: 30 March 2009 at 8:08pm | IP Logged Quote RobPro
I agree with what has been said. While the Scorpead comet isn't combining with any terrain in the stack, it is still part of the stack.

And the Time Spindle adding to the stack would be kind of a cheaty loophole. :P
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Posted: 30 March 2009 at 8:19pm | IP Logged Quote ericbsmith
Gekonauak wrote:
Now, one could indeed argue the fact that the L8 would be a part of the stack, therefore adding eight to the total.
Not successfully ;-) The Spindle says it is "played against a stack that is more than 20 Strength" - The spindle doesn't become part of the stack until is is sucessfully played to it, so for the Stack to be a viable target for the Spindle in the first place it must already have 21+ Strength before the spindle is played to it.


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