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Eaglepreacher IRC
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Posted: 02 November 2007 at 5:27pm | IP Logged
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Ok guys. The promo terrain dominates almost every list that I have seen posted. With the exception of terrain which are empire specific i see very few of terrain from any expansion. So with all the house rules flying around, how about something to even out the terrain from the expansions. My thoughts would be too give any planet or system shield equal to thier strength. What say you? or perhaps to give terrain more staying power use an armor type system of say 1/2 the terrain strength.
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RobPro IRC
Joined: 10 May 2004 Location: United States Posts: 835
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Posted: 02 November 2007 at 7:36pm | IP Logged
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My thought was just allow all terrain from basic expansions that don't have any special abilities to take 1/2 damage from heavy weapons. This puts them on par with most of the promos, aside from the 1-2 card type immunity.
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Tarquon Exalted
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Posted: 03 November 2007 at 11:39am | IP Logged
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I vote for all regular-issue T-terrain take 1/2 damage from weapons fire,
unless it already has some weapons fire damage reduction rule. (And if
people still only play the promos, maybe make all the promo terrain
prototypes. draconian, I know)
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werewolflht65 Exalted
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Posted: 03 November 2007 at 9:16pm | IP Logged
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I could live with the 1/2 damage from weapons fire because of the the fact that Companion was planning on doing new terrain which was a beefy as some of the promo stuff.
__________________ "Light Balls? You didn't ask for Light Balls. You asked for Light BEER!" Capt. Sergei Fukov, CPP Kalinka
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Aramax Exalted
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Posted: 04 November 2007 at 10:23am | IP Logged
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In general I dont have a problem w/the 1/2 from weopons fire,but w/ wolfies promo available I dont think anybody needs to resort to this any more,go get some from wolfie
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werewolflht65 Exalted
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Posted: 04 November 2007 at 3:20pm | IP Logged
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True.. I got lots fellas.. Hit me up: I have T-5 Patrice, T-6 Katryn(Mini Spy Central), T-7 Jozef, T-8 Custom Planet (Lots of Ec), T-8 Chronos, T-9 Vinciennes, T-10 Stefania, a few T-10 Intergalactic Void and Mayfairs, and a few Super massive Stars.
__________________ "Light Balls? You didn't ask for Light Balls. You asked for Light BEER!" Capt. Sergei Fukov, CPP Kalinka
Star Wreck, In The Pirkinning
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Tarquon Exalted
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Posted: 04 November 2007 at 9:07pm | IP Logged
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It's not promo availability that's the issue, it's the lack of variety in decks. I
want to see more of the other ~250 terrain in play. Some of them are
useful, but if they're easily destroyed they'll never make it into the deck.
And the more I think about them as prototypes the more I like it.
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werewolflht65 Exalted
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Posted: 05 November 2007 at 6:55am | IP Logged
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Ok, just a point of note, I'll be posting Quarterly Tourney rules in a new thread, but I wanted to make it known that the 1/2 damage rule for basic terrain would be one of them.
That is all.
__________________ "Light Balls? You didn't ask for Light Balls. You asked for Light BEER!" Capt. Sergei Fukov, CPP Kalinka
Star Wreck, In The Pirkinning
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MogwaiSC IRC
Joined: 20 January 2004 Location: United States Posts: 903
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Posted: 06 November 2007 at 12:07am | IP Logged
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Here's a crazy idea, maybe it's been mentioned here before...
Why not use a distinction like what's in Shadowfist? Smoked vs. toasted.
The first damage up to the strength of the terrain does not destroy it,
only deprives you of the income you receive from it. You can repair it,
and once you've spent repair equal to it's strength you get it's
production back. In the mean time, you can still play bases, to it, ships
to it, etc.
If the terrain is again hit for damage up to its strength, before it is
repaired, then it is destroyed and removed from play.
That in effect makes all terrain take "half damage" from heavy weapons,
and it adds another level of strategy to the game. You can deny
opponents income, but they can get it back. You have to decide
how/where to repair your planets, defend them, etc.
Any thoughts?
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Vercinorix Devoted
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Posted: 06 November 2007 at 6:45am | IP Logged
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People have kind of mentioned that type of thing before Mog. If people want to try it, sure. I don't think that it will make promo terrain any less valuable though. Because the reason that people use promo terrain is to make it harder for point deprivation... and if you're depriving people of points with normal damage it just brings us back to the starting point of needing promo terrain again.
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werewolflht65 Exalted
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Posted: 06 November 2007 at 8:12am | IP Logged
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Hmm, chicken or egg....
Actually, I posted a variation on the Terrain loses points as damaged to another thread...
:runs off to find the thread, and a needle::
__________________ "Light Balls? You didn't ask for Light Balls. You asked for Light BEER!" Capt. Sergei Fukov, CPP Kalinka
Star Wreck, In The Pirkinning
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MogwaiSC IRC
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Posted: 06 November 2007 at 12:02pm | IP Logged
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Vercinorix wrote:
People have kind of mentioned that type of thing
before Mog. If people want to try it, sure. I don't think that it will make
promo terrain any less valuable though. Because the reason that people
use promo terrain is to make it harder for point deprivation... and if
you're depriving people of points with normal damage it just brings us
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Yeah, I see the point... Hm.
All things considered though, I think an important issue in the game is
that non-promo terrain are too easy to kill. It's too easy a tactic to just
blow up your opponent's planets. I'm at a loss right now to suggest
anything else though... brain fade I guess.
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werewolflht65 Exalted
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Posted: 06 November 2007 at 8:03pm | IP Logged
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As Verc said, and I have boatloads of promo terrain. If you have need of it, let me know, but please, stop whining about it.
__________________ "Light Balls? You didn't ask for Light Balls. You asked for Light BEER!" Capt. Sergei Fukov, CPP Kalinka
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MogwaiSC IRC
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Posted: 06 November 2007 at 9:23pm | IP Logged
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Who the hell is whining? I never said anything about anything being a
problem, but then I've got a good amount of promo terrain. Although
more certainly wouldn't hurt. :)
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werewolflht65 Exalted
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Posted: 07 November 2007 at 1:09am | IP Logged
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Not you Mog. There are others that complain about the promos being too tough. I keep telling people to shoot me a Snail Mail address and I'll put together a CARE package.
That means FREE people!
But no, do I ever see an addy? Of course not, because it's easier to bitch and moan then it is to type out an address.
__________________ "Light Balls? You didn't ask for Light Balls. You asked for Light BEER!" Capt. Sergei Fukov, CPP Kalinka
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Aramax Exalted
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Posted: 07 November 2007 at 8:47am | IP Logged
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werewolflht65 wrote:
Not you Mog. There are others that complain about the promos being too tough. I keep telling people to shoot me a Snail Mail address and I'll put together a CARE package.
That means FREE people!
But no, do I ever see an addy? Of course not, because it's easier to bitch and moan then it is to type out an address.
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its funny Ive offered several people free cards and one wouldnt answer my queations to figure out what they needed
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Lobo IRC
Joined: 04 July 2007 Location: United States Posts: 533
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Posted: 07 November 2007 at 8:55am | IP Logged
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-On the subject of "free cards", as i have been the lucky recipient of some most-gracious and welcoming players, i have a unique perspective versus most of you old-timers. That perspective, mostly, is that care packages are a nice way to introduce new gamers to a game, but it gets more complex when you start asking specific questions about what cards are needed.
Example: I'm the type of guy that doesn't normally beg, plead, or demand anything. I've been lucky enough most of my life to not develop too much of a greedy streak. If someone wants to send me some cards to help out my collection, great. That's a nice thing to do and i appreciate it. But when you ask for specific needs, i'm probably not going to give you much to go on. At that point, it feels too much like i am "ordering" cards, and i feel bad if i don't pay for stuff i order.
So, if you have 90 extras of one card lying around that you don't want or can't sell, i'm happy to take them off your hands. If i end up with extras that i don't need, i'm sure i can find folks that may be just interested enough to use some of those extras to build their own decks. But don't push the specific card issue. I feel dirty in the morning if you do.....Lobo, giving thanks to the GE community as a whole for their welcoming attitude
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Aramax Exalted
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Posted: 07 November 2007 at 9:22am | IP Logged
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Lobo wrote:
-On the subject of "free cards", as i have been the lucky recipient of some most-gracious and welcoming players, i have a unique perspective versus most of you old-timers. That perspective, mostly, is that care packages are a nice way to introduce new gamers to a game, but it gets more complex when you start asking specific questions about what cards are needed.
Example: I'm the type of guy that doesn't normally beg, plead, or demand anything. I've been lucky enough most of my life to not develop too much of a greedy streak. If someone wants to send me some cards to help out my collection, great. That's a nice thing to do and i appreciate it. But when you ask for specific needs, i'm probably not going to give you much to go on. At that point, it feels too much like i am "ordering" cards, and i feel bad if i don't pay for stuff i order.
So, if you have 90 extras of one card lying around that you don't want or can't sell, i'm happy to take them off your hands. If i end up with extras that i don't need, i'm sure i can find folks that may be just interested enough to use some of those extras to build their own decks. But don't push the specific card issue. I feel dirty in the morning if you do.....Lobo, giving thanks to the GE community as a whole for their welcoming attitude
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I gotta disagree when I offer somebody free cards Im doing it w/ a community spirit but I also dont want it to go to waste,I need to know which race you are playing so I can send tufer and not POT.I need to know that you hate crew or love equipment,or that you got plenty of Persona but no time Gates.I love ALL my cards but want them to find good homes.
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Lobo IRC
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Posted: 07 November 2007 at 9:38am | IP Logged
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-Ah, well then i offer an alternative. Let us say you have multiples of everything in the game. And let us further say you want to spread the wealth and try getting other players that may not have some of these cards a fun little holiday gift package. As a new player, it may feel less like begging if someone said:
" i'll send you a good heap of cards for use with the following empire(s), which one(s) would you be interested in? Or if you just need terrain/equipment/etc which of those categories are you interested in?"
Then just give a list of available packages. I did this with L5R and the Decipher Trek game and it worked pretty well with new players. Magic less so because by the time i had enough cards to offer freebies everyone had more than me anyway!
You don't have to, certainly, but i know for me *personally* i am more inclined to pick from that list than to command that you give me certain cards. It also further reassures me that you are not in any way giving up cards out of your personal collection that you have earmarked for personal use.
Again, this is all just personal preference anyway, so please don't feel as though i am saying that one way is right or wrong. It's just that i have a difficult time saying "Gimmee all yer dragons".....Lobo, who will actually take all yer dragons if the spirit moves you
Edited by Lobo on 07 November 2007 at 9:41am
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RobPro IRC
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Posted: 07 November 2007 at 9:44am | IP Logged
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I'm willing to bet a care package including the following will be universally loved: -Promos (terrain, mostly) -Persona -Advanced Technology -Super-Rares from New Empires/Universe/Time Gates
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werewolflht65 Exalted
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Posted: 07 November 2007 at 2:43pm | IP Logged
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You want Dragons Lobo? Shoot me an address, and I'll choke you with Dragons...
__________________ "Light Balls? You didn't ask for Light Balls. You asked for Light BEER!" Capt. Sergei Fukov, CPP Kalinka
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Eaglepreacher IRC
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Posted: 09 November 2007 at 3:01am | IP Logged
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free. I wonder where I went wrong.
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werewolflht65 Exalted
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Posted: 09 November 2007 at 7:09am | IP Logged
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Eaglepreacher wrote:
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If this were ten years ago, nothing save for Company-sponsored promotional cards (like White Dwarf) would be free. Even commons cost ya something. But today, with only a handful of people talking and actually playing GE, it is a good plan to just give away basic stock cards, like playsets of races and such. As such, I make it my personal mission to try to help out everyone who asks. If they want specific high end cards to finish a theme of a deck, sure, I may ask for a few bucks because those cards are very hard to come by. But for the basic fleet builder cards, just take them. It makes the 5000ct boxes lighter and easier to carry. :)
__________________ "Light Balls? You didn't ask for Light Balls. You asked for Light BEER!" Capt. Sergei Fukov, CPP Kalinka
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Biegel Exalted
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Posted: 09 November 2007 at 7:23am | IP Logged
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I will get back to you all once I have my cards in the house and upstairs in my GE room near my computer so I can reference what I have advalibe and what I need. I know I have lots of rares and hard to get that I would just want to get my labor out of.(Not Greedy) I have alot of Rare Promos That I would trade for Promos I need. I have made alot of progress in createing space to organize them for easy access.I have actually sorted many cards down to 200 card boxes. Anyone have a cheap source for card boxes?
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werewolflht65 Exalted
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Posted: 09 November 2007 at 7:33am | IP Logged
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Check with the local comic shops. Most sell Magic, and as such have card boxes.
__________________ "Light Balls? You didn't ask for Light Balls. You asked for Light BEER!" Capt. Sergei Fukov, CPP Kalinka
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Eaglepreacher IRC
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Posted: 09 November 2007 at 4:08pm | IP Logged
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What's cheap to you. I get 3200 count card boxes for $5, They are seperated by four into 4 rows 800 each. I have a box or 2 for each class of card and I sort the cards by class, then by strength then by alphabetic order. Of course some such as dragon, instalation, fields and agendas are all in the same box one row each.
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Biegel Exalted
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Posted: 10 November 2007 at 4:17am | IP Logged
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In Prescott Valley Az. There were 3 card shops I could get 800 count boxes for .75 buying by the hundred. I ordered some through a shop but had to leave before they came in. I had to put 50% down so I lost on that deal. I am useing telehhone switch boxes that hold about 600 cards in two rows (Wish I could get more ,not with company anymore though) I have to travel 60 miles to find a card shop in the Catskills though. I feel like I moved back into the Dark Ages moving back to New York. Funny the Office for GE was 20 miles away and I never heard of them till after the great Demise. The man I got these cards from has passed away ,He had more super rare,wonder where they are collecting dust?
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werewolflht65 Exalted
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Posted: 10 November 2007 at 7:12am | IP Logged
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I am surrounded by comic shops. If you want, we can work a deal through MoneyGram or something and I can make the purchase and then ship them to you. I'll check with Bob (at Stormwatch Comics) and see how much a 5000ct box is going for.
__________________ "Light Balls? You didn't ask for Light Balls. You asked for Light BEER!" Capt. Sergei Fukov, CPP Kalinka
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Eaglepreacher IRC
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Posted: 21 December 2007 at 5:14pm | IP Logged
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We've discussed all the problems with the all powerful promo terrain with immunities. As an add on rule, why not say this....' immune to cards of equal or lesser strength.' Eg a T6 promo terrain with immunity from monsters can still be attacked by M7 or above. what say you?
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